Former model who accused Trump of groping her in 1990s says Epstein mentioned Trump 'every time we spoke'

The former Sports Illustrated swimsuit model who accused former President Donald Trump of groping her in front of Jeffrey Epstein in the early 1990s reveals more details about what she allegedly observed about Epstein's relationship with the current presidential candidate and what Epstein told her in her opinion.

“I would say that every time we talked, he was talking about seeing Donald or just doing something,” Stacey Williams, who worked as a professional model in the 1990s, said in an interview with ABC News .

Williams went public this week with allegations that Trump groped her in front of Epstein after she said Epstein, who later became known as a serial sex offender, took her to Trump Tower in the early 1990s.

“I felt so humiliated”

In her interview with ABC News, Williams said that during her several-month relationship with Epstein, whom she said she met in 1992, Trump was among the three people Epstein talked to her about the most, with one of the other two being Ghislaine Maxwell was , Epstein's longtime associate who has since been sentenced to 20 years in prison for recruiting and grooming the underage girls that Epstein sexually abused.

The third person, Williams said, was Leslie Wexner, the billionaire retail magnate who once employed Epstein to manage his fortune.

“The people he talked about the most were his boss or whatever that person was, Les Wexner, that role is difficult to understand. And then Ghislaine, again a somewhat ambiguous, strange relationship. And then Donald Trump,” Williams told ABC News. “Those are the people he talked about the most.”

The details come after Williams publicly discussed the alleged incident in detail for the first time last Monday evening in a public Zoom call “Survivors for Kamala” in support of Vice President Kamala Harris. The group is not officially affiliated with Harris' presidential campaign.

In a statement to ABC News, Trump campaign spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt denied Williams' allegations, saying in part: “These allegations, made by a former Barack Obama operative and announced at a Harris campaign call two weeks before the election, are clearly wrong.” “

Asked about the allegation that Epstein frequently spoke about Trump, a Trump campaign spokesman said: “It is well known that President Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club amid revelations about his sex trafficking became.”

In the Zoom call, video of which was obtained by ABC News, Williams, who first began speaking publicly about the alleged Trump-Epstein incident in Facebook posts in 2020, said she felt the alleged incident was a “twisted game”. between Trump and Epstein.

“I felt so humiliated and so sick to my stomach and so upset, and when I understood what was happening a few minutes later, I felt like it was some kind of sick bet or game between the two of them,” said Williams. “I was rolled in there like a piece of meat for some challenge or twisted game, and I felt terrible.”

“I thought it was time to share this and I'm ready to win this election,” Williams, a longtime Democrat who is active in politics, said on the Zoom call. “The thought of this monster being back in the White House is my absolute worst nightmare.”

“It was orchestrated.”

Williams told ABC News that the alleged encounter, when she was 24, lasted no more than 10 minutes. “I was in shock and frozen,” Williams said.

“He just reached out and pulled me towards him and his hands were touching some part of my body the whole time,” Williams claimed in the interview. “His hands touched the sides of my breasts, not the front, but the sides of my breasts, my waist, and then slid down to my butt and just kept running up and down my body while carrying them both,” during a conversation. “

Speaking to ABC News, Williams explained that shortly after the alleged incident, she began to suspect that the encounter with Trump and Epstein had been “orchestrated,” but denied it due to the shame it caused her.

“Now there is no doubt in my mind that it was staged,” Williams said.

Not long after the alleged incident, Williams said Trump sent her a handwritten postcard to his Mar-a-Lago estate that read: “Stacey – your home away from home. I love Donald.” A photo of the postcard was shared with ABC News.

Two friends confirmed to ABC News in interviews that Williams told them about the alleged incident with the former president years ago. Longtime friend Allison Gutwillinger told ABC News in an interview that Williams invited her to his home in 2015 to tell her about the alleged incident after Trump announced his candidacy.

“I came to her house. There was a postcard on the kitchen counter with what looked like Mar-a-Lago on the cover. I turned it over and there was a handwritten note signed 'Love Donald,'” Gutwillinger said. “Then she told me he groped her in Trump Tower.”

“Not a fan of his”

Trump ultimately distanced himself from Epstein, who died by suicide in prison in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges. According to authorities, Epstein sexually exploited and abused dozens of underage girls in his homes in New York and Florida in the early 2000s, among other places.

In 2002, Trump told New York Magazine: “I've known Jeff for 15 years. Great guy.”

“It's a lot of fun to be with him. It's even been said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side,” Trump said at the time.

Epstein was asked about his relationship with Trump during a March 2010 deposition in a civil lawsuit filed against Epstein by some of Epstein's victims.

Epstein responded “Yes, sir” when asked if he had come into contact with Trump. When asked if he “ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of women under the age of 18,” Epstein replied, “While I would like to answer that question, today I must at least invoke my Fifth and Sixth Amendments.” right, sir.”

When Epstein was indicted in 2019, then-President Trump told reporters at the White House that he was “not a fan of his, I can tell you that” and that he had “not spoken to him in 15 years.”

A year later, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell “well” after being asked by a reporter whether the longtime Epstein associate should reveal the names of powerful people who have been linked to the serial sex offender.

“I don’t know,” Trump said. “I didn’t really follow it that much. Honestly, I just wish her well.”

In 2021, Maxwell was convicted on five out of six cases related to the abuse and trafficking of underage girls.

During Maxwell's trial, flight logs released into evidence showed that Trump was listed as a passenger on Epstein's private jets at least seven times: four times in 1993, once in 1994 and 1995, and a previously known time in 1997.

At least 18 women have accused Trump of varying degrees of inappropriate behavior, including allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault. In 2005, during Trump's first run for the White House, a video surfaced of him talking about groping women. In it, Trump can be heard telling former “Access Hollywood” host Billy Bush: “If you're a star, they let you do it.”

“I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women, I just start kissing them, it's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And if you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.” Trump said, among other things: “Grab them by the p—-.”

Trump apologized at the time after the comments were posted, saying in a video, “Anyone who knows me knows those words do not reflect who I am,” adding, “I said it, I said it.” I was wrong and I apologize.”

Trump has long vehemently denied all of the women's allegations. In some cases, he and his team members have explicitly denied individual allegations, but they have also repeatedly denied all allegations outright and called the women liars.